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Title: IGN reviews Shiren DS
Post by: GeoX on March 04, 2008, 10:23:32 PM
http://ds.ign.com/articles/856/856601p1.html

Shorter IGN review: "I don't like this rogue-like because it's a rogue-like.  Also, I'm paid by the word."

Actually, that last part would apply to any IGN review.  But still.  How embarrassing.



Title: Re: IGN reviews Shiren DS
Post by: Ian Kelley on March 05, 2008, 03:56:45 PM
Why do publications (online or other) allow people to review games in genres they don't like? Of course they're going to get negative reviews. Roguelikes for some reason seem to consistently get reviewers who don't like the genre.


Title: Re: IGN reviews Shiren DS
Post by: Datschge on March 05, 2008, 05:10:32 PM
Why do publications (online or other) allow people to review games in genres they don't like?
Good question. I often feel reviews miss the point by not actually reviewing stuff like all the game design in context of its genre (which requires the reviewer to be familiar with it, and not superficially so like so often). But I'm always assuming I'm the odd one for approaching game in such a technical way. *shrugs*


Title: Re: IGN reviews Shiren DS
Post by: Armetius on March 12, 2008, 03:10:55 PM
Why do publications (online or other) allow people to review games in genres they don't like? Of course they're going to get negative reviews. Roguelikes for some reason seem to consistently get reviewers who don't like the genre.

Roguelikes are extremely punishing and counterintuitive most of the time, so it's really hard to find a reviewer that likes them.


Title: Re: IGN reviews Shiren DS
Post by: Stefan on March 19, 2008, 10:58:08 PM
Did the reviewer ever say he disliked rougelikes? I don't recall that. I do have to defend them for your accusation about being paid for reviews, because I feel there more honest and accurate than the other publications out there.


Title: Re: IGN reviews Shiren DS
Post by: Ian Kelley on March 21, 2008, 05:36:23 PM
Did the reviewer ever say he disliked rougelikes? I don't recall that. I do have to defend them for your accusation about being paid for reviews, because I feel there more honest and accurate than the other publications out there.

Did you even read the review? His complaints were:

1) The dungeon is generated randomly
2) Items are never in the same place when you go through a dungeon again
3) You have to start from scratch when you die, which is too hard.

All of these are standard staples for the roguelike genre and always have been. If those things bother him he has no business reviewing a roguelike as by definition they're all going to have them in some shape or form.  It's akin to complaining that enemies shoot too many bullets at you in a shmup, or that there's not enough twitch action in a turn-based strategy game.


Title: Re: IGN reviews Shiren DS
Post by: Gideon Zhi on March 21, 2008, 06:46:54 PM
Did the reviewer ever say he disliked rougelikes? I don't recall that. I do have to defend them for your accusation about being paid for reviews, because I feel there more honest and accurate than the other publications out there.

Did you even read the review? His complaints were:

1) The dungeon is generated randomly
2) Items are never in the same place when you go through a dungeon again
3) You have to start from scratch when you die, which is too hard.

All of these are standard staples for the roguelike genre and always have been. If those things bother him he has no business reviewing a roguelike as by definition they're all going to have them in some shape or form.  It's akin to complaining that enemies shoot too many bullets at you in a shmup, or that there's not enough twitch action in a turn-based strategy game.

IGN's chief complaint about Shadowgate 64 was that there were no guns/swords/weapons of any kind.


Title: Re: IGN reviews Shiren DS
Post by: JayBee on March 21, 2008, 08:24:18 PM
Did the reviewer ever say he disliked rougelikes? I don't recall that. I do have to defend them for your accusation about being paid for reviews, because I feel there more honest and accurate than the other publications out there.

Did you even read the review? His complaints were:

1) The dungeon is generated randomly
2) Items are never in the same place when you go through a dungeon again
3) You have to start from scratch when you die, which is too hard.

All of these are standard staples for the roguelike genre and always have been. If those things bother him he has no business reviewing a roguelike as by definition they're all going to have them in some shape or form.  It's akin to complaining that enemies shoot too many bullets at you in a shmup, or that there's not enough twitch action in a turn-based strategy game.

IGN's chief complaint about Shadowgate 64 was that there were no guns/swords/weapons of any kind.
Ignorant starts with IGN.


Title: Re: IGN reviews Shiren DS
Post by: Sume Gai on March 21, 2008, 10:45:00 PM
I Prefer :

"you can't spell ignorant without IGN"


Title: Re: IGN reviews Shiren DS
Post by: You on April 08, 2008, 09:19:49 AM
To be fair, guys, whether IGN is comprised of a bunch of clods or not isn't particularily important.  The reviews will be relevant in that the casual player probably doesn't like rogue-likes, anyhow, and anyone who does will be able to pick up on the negatives as positives.

Rogue-likes are a niche market, and even when they were the only thing around they were a niche market.


Title: Re: IGN reviews Shiren DS
Post by: Dynamo on April 08, 2008, 03:32:35 PM
http://www.gamespot.com/ds/rpg/fushiginodungeon/review.html?sid=6188639

Gamespot seems to have started the same trend over the last few years, seems like the same review; different words.


Title: Re: IGN reviews Shiren DS
Post by: LGB on April 29, 2008, 05:04:02 PM
Now where is that bleeding quote... another forum had posted a topic about IGN giving GTA a 10, putting it above a lot of other games that are far better, etc. Ah, there it is:

Quote from: LGB
Every single "professional" gaming magazine/website in the history of the world is gay and bogus, except for Gamest and Famitsu.

GTA fanboys and Nintendo fanboys, who needs 'em? Meanwhile, I've got Down Load and am loving it.

Requesting lock plzkthnx
The topic was locked soon after.

edit: If you would like to go into semantics, Arcadia and Famitsu are in fact more of the same, butGamest/Arcadia is in fact more directed at high scores (though I think there are reviews someplace, I don't know about 'em), while Famitsu biases its ratings and reviews on a game's difficulty. This is not to say that a completely better game would lose to a very easy, and absolute crap quality game by no means. It's more directed at two similar games, with one being harder.

So, if you want to put it that way, just write your own reviews and you should be good.