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Seven Heavens => Aaru - Romhacking & Translation => Topic started by: GreenEnergy on April 16, 2008, 02:51:15 PM



Title: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: GreenEnergy on April 16, 2008, 02:51:15 PM
Hi there. Without intending to violate rule #3, I’d just like to know how the #1 project (in terms of popularity) of this site, Tactics Ogre, is doing. I don’t expect it to come out soon, but a simple “don’t worry, I’m (or) we’re still on it” would be fine.

Furthermore, I’d like to get something else off my chest. Obviously there’s a high demand for TO on this TRANSLATION PAGE, even though it’s already been translated in English and available on PSX - but why? I mean, one could by it easily via Ebay, provided he/she can spare about 100 bucks, or get it elsewhere as an ISO… though still people are not satisfied. 
I think it’s because they a) really LOVE this game, and b), and that’s probably the most important factor, are heartbroken about the lousily ported PSX-Version (slow loading times etc.). At least I am. That’s why I’m still looking forward to an SNES Version with English text, as this would be the DEFINITIVE Version to own. I can’t even imagine how crazily awesome it would be to enjoy this gem on an actual SNES one day… (screw emulators)

Last but not least, I’d like to thank everyone who’s working on this site for their great efforts in translating all those games, and especially Gideon Zhi. 

Greetings from Germany,
GreenEnergy


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: JayBee on April 16, 2008, 03:51:34 PM
Furthermore, I’d like to get something else off my chest. Obviously there’s a high demand for TO on this TRANSLATION PAGE, even though it’s already been translated in English and available on PSX - but why? I mean, one could by it easily via Ebay, provided he/she can spare about 100 bucks, or get it elsewhere as an ISO… though still people are not satisfied. 
Sheer stupidity.
It's been that way for years.

People could've beaten the game several times already instaed of still be waiting for an english release if they hadn't refused to play the PS1 version.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: GreenEnergy on April 17, 2008, 03:47:01 PM
What’s so stupid about waiting for the game?

I might’ve already played through the game as well if I hadn’t come across this site. It’s not like one would get paid for finishing it. I want to enjoy it to the fullest, and that means I want to get the best possible gaming experience that there is (certainly NOT the PSX version)

I think it’s just a matter of alternatives.

Now that I not only know that a patch is in the works [and seemingly in the right hands], already done by 50%, but also an English script available (from the PSX Version) AND still a lot of interest in the community, it’s far from being stupid to wait for said patch to see the light of day.   


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: TCM on April 17, 2008, 04:03:16 PM
However, it is stupid to come on here and go "WHARS TACTICS OGRE PROGRESS", like what used to happen, oh, about once or twice a month.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Wight on April 18, 2008, 02:19:50 PM
HI IM NU
WHARS TACTICS OGRE PROGRESS PLZ?  THX VRY MUCH K LOL.

 . . . Sorry.  >_>


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Sume Gai on April 18, 2008, 02:27:53 PM
HI IM NU
WHARS TACTICS OGRE PROGRESS PLZ?  THX VRY MUCH K LOL.

 . . . Sorry.  >_>
^^^^^^
this is exactly why we ridicule people who ask about TO

(I'm sure this was a joke but it perfectly illustrates the typical TO request post)   


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Gideon Zhi on April 18, 2008, 04:16:00 PM
What I *really* need is like three months of vacation to work on all this crap.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Zaratus on April 18, 2008, 11:45:55 PM
What I *really* need is like three months of vacation to work on all this crap.

Or someone to go, "Here's $50,000, now take a year off of work and finish everything."  =P

Hey, I'd probably do something like that if i was filthy stinking rich.  You'd figure over the years the rom translation scene would have attacted at least one filthy stinking rich generous benefactor. 


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Gideon Zhi on April 20, 2008, 07:24:20 AM
What I *really* need is like three months of vacation to work on all this crap.

Or someone to go, "Here's $50,000, now take a year off of work and finish everything."  =P

Hey, I'd probably do something like that if i was filthy stinking rich.  You'd figure over the years the rom translation scene would have attacted at least one filthy stinking rich generous benefactor. 

Or that, yeah, although for *everything* I think I might need two or three years.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Dsvaun on April 20, 2008, 03:51:06 PM
Wouldn't hurt for that person to also give everyone on the pantheon a ton of money also.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Derek on April 20, 2008, 04:52:11 PM
Wouldn't hurt for that person to also give everyone on the pantheon a ton of money also.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: JayBee on April 21, 2008, 12:52:40 AM
Wouldn't hurt for that person to also give everyone on the pantheon a ton of money also.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.
I third the motion.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Chaostic on April 21, 2008, 01:29:46 AM
Wouldn't hurt for that person to also give everyone on the pantheon a ton of money also.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.
I third the motion.
forth(with that I could payoff my collage loans)


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Andrew on April 21, 2008, 02:25:11 AM
Wouldn't hurt for that person to also give everyone on the pantheon a ton of money also.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.
I third the motion.
forth(with that I could payoff my collage loans)

Fifth. I could use some cash for college and transportation.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Guncannoneer on April 21, 2008, 02:40:19 PM
Um, hi, I'm new, can I have some of this magical Pantheon welfare money too?

Just out of curiosity, is the PSX translation for TO considered sub-par or anything?  We're talking about a 1997 Atlus translation here, so maybe they tried to pass the whole game off as taking place in America?


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Sume Gai on April 21, 2008, 03:17:17 PM
Um, hi, I'm new, can I have some of this magical Pantheon welfare money too?

Just out of curiosity, is the PSX translation for TO considered sub-par or anything?  We're talking about a 1997 Atlus translation here, so maybe they tried to pass the whole game off as taking place in America?

you do know Gid is just ripping that translation and putting it in the snes version


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Chaostic on April 21, 2008, 09:33:24 PM
Um, hi, I'm new, can I have some of this magical Pantheon welfare money too?

Just out of curiosity, is the PSX translation for TO considered sub-par or anything?  We're talking about a 1997 Atlus translation here, so maybe they tried to pass the whole game off as taking place in America?

you do know Gid is just ripping that translation and putting it in the snes version

@Gai well thats better then just using babelfish(I'm looking at you Langfandood)

@Guncannoneer sure if you stay a active member


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: JayBee on April 21, 2008, 11:57:22 PM
Um, hi, I'm new, can I have some of this magical Pantheon welfare money too?

Just out of curiosity, is the PSX translation for TO considered sub-par or anything?  We're talking about a 1997 Atlus translation here, so maybe they tried to pass the whole game off as taking place in America?
As far as I know, the only real objection anyone's making is that it has load times. Not that some emulators can't do a  lot to reduce load times anyways.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Gideon Zhi on April 22, 2008, 10:03:50 AM
You people *do* know that "Langfandood" is D-Boy, right? He did the babelfished Der Langrisser patch as an april fool's joke.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Chaostic on April 22, 2008, 11:02:14 AM
You people *do* know that "Langfandood" is D-Boy, right? He did the babelfished Der Langrisser patch as an april fool's joke.

so I heard but if you know whats going on it is funny as hell try the Xak II translation  lol


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Guncannoneer on April 22, 2008, 01:31:50 PM
Um, hi, I'm new, can I have some of this magical Pantheon welfare money too?

Just out of curiosity, is the PSX translation for TO considered sub-par or anything?  We're talking about a 1997 Atlus translation here, so maybe they tried to pass the whole game off as taking place in America?

you do know Gid is just ripping that translation and putting it in the snes version

Oh.  Well, nevermind then.

In any case I can understand the lag annoyances (ugh, Chrono Trigger) but yeah.  Interesting, having to rip a script and then re-apply it rather than working with someone's translation.  I wonder if that's easier or harder?


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: TCM on April 22, 2008, 02:48:42 PM
It's hardly "Ripping an reapplying" so much as it is "Make the script match". I'd guess it's about the same.

I'd say it's probably Copy-pasta, but I have no idea what all goes into making text display properly on screen, so.. >_>


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: GreenEnergy on April 27, 2008, 11:43:56 AM
@Guncannoneer: Agree, the CT PSX Port just sucked (loading times, long menu times, not 100% proper sound emulation).


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: JayBee on April 27, 2008, 01:38:33 PM
It's hardly "Ripping an reapplying" so much as it is "Make the script match". I'd guess it's about the same.

I'd say it's probably Copy-pasta, but I have no idea what all goes into making text display properly on screen, so.. >_>
I tried to copy pasta once.
...
The sauce ran down into the copier, and then they threw me out of the library.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Sume Gai on April 27, 2008, 02:00:47 PM
Jaybee; I'm sorry that just didn't work, at all


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: JayBee on April 27, 2008, 02:34:46 PM
Indeed. But it was better than a rant about 4chan, the english language, and the decline of society.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Sume Gai on April 27, 2008, 02:57:58 PM
only marginally...

now I want you to wear this *indicates Fa Yuiri Costume*

till you think of something better


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Gideon Zhi on April 27, 2008, 10:11:42 PM
The problem isn't the text (although there's some fantastic glitching once you name your brigade that I haven't dealt with yet) so much as it is all the compressed graphical text, such as the month/day/year display and mission objectives and such. It's nothing I can't handle, but it's still *really* annoying.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Word on the Wind on April 27, 2008, 11:45:06 PM
Am I the only one whom thinks it's completely awesome to look at the top bar and read..

 Aeon Genesis
The Definitive Version


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Derek on April 27, 2008, 11:46:35 PM
Am I the only one whom thinks it's completely awesome to look at the top bar and read..

 Aeon Genesis
The Definitive Version

No, no you are not.

There's another nomination for adding to the random quote generator.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Chaostic on April 28, 2008, 12:00:25 AM
Am I the only one whom thinks it's completely awesome to look at the top bar and read..

 Aeon Genesis
The Definitive Version

No, no you are not.

There's another nomination for adding to the random quote generator.
I second this


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Word on the Wind on April 28, 2008, 06:44:50 AM
Am I the only one whom thinks it's completely awesome to look at the top bar and read..

 Aeon Genesis
The Definitive Version

No, no you are not.

There's another nomination for adding to the random quote generator.
I second this
Third'd


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: GreenEnergy on April 28, 2008, 07:28:55 AM
Am I the only one whom thinks it's completely awesome to look at the top bar and read..

 Aeon Genesis
The Definitive Version


No, no you are not.

There's another nomination for adding to the random quote generator.
I second this
Third'd

LOL! Now that you guys are mentioning it... It sounds great! :D


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Derek on April 28, 2008, 12:10:10 PM
Am I the only one whom thinks it's completely awesome to look at the top bar and read..

 Aeon Genesis
The Definitive Version


No, no you are not.

There's another nomination for adding to the random quote generator.
I second this
Third'd

LOL! Now that you guys are mentioning it... It sounds great! :D

*Takes a bow*

You're welcome for the nom.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: GreenEnergy on April 16, 2009, 02:25:02 PM
Hello EVERYONE,

It's GreenEnergy again. Hey, how's it going? Now it's been exactly one year since this status request thread hit your awesome forums. Eventhough the "#1 projekt in terms of popularity" of your site has become #2 in the meantime, I - and surely lots of others more - would just like to know if Tactics Ogre is still one your wide range radar.

It's coming out one day, riiiight? *puppyeyes*

Anyways, keep up the good work!

Best wishes from Germany,
GreenEnergy


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Word on the Wind on April 16, 2009, 07:40:07 PM
*Facepalm*

It's not goin' anywhere and it won't 'cause people keep askin' about it....


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: JayBee on April 17, 2009, 04:14:24 AM
HAI GUYZ WHAT UP WIHT TACTICAL ORGY I WANTZ TEH GAMEZ NOW!111


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Word on the Wind on April 17, 2009, 07:17:48 AM
Tactical Orgy sounds like the best porn game ever.

I'd buy it.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: GreenEnergy on April 17, 2009, 02:46:48 PM
HAI GUYZ WHAT UP WIHT TACTICAL ORGY I WANTZ TEH GAMEZ NOW!111

Yeah right...  please compare YOUR status request to MINE and you'll hopefully notice a difference.
Anyways, I think ONE polite status request per year shouldn't be a problem, especially since I haven't seen any for TO on this forums for a long time.
I do understand, however, that permanent status requests for any projekt can be something annoying.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Derek on April 17, 2009, 03:50:03 PM
HAI GUYZ WHAT UP WIHT TACTICAL ORGY I WANTZ TEH GAMEZ NOW!111

Yeah right...  please compare YOUR status request to MINE and you'll hopefully notice a difference.
Anyways, I think ONE polite status request per year shouldn't be a problem, especially since I haven't seen any for TO on this forums for a long time.
I do understand, however, that permanent status requests for any projekt can be something annoying.

You ARE aware that he was making a joke, yes? There wasn't a need to get defensive.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: GreenEnergy on April 17, 2009, 03:59:52 PM
HAI GUYZ WHAT UP WIHT TACTICAL ORGY I WANTZ TEH GAMEZ NOW!111

Yeah right...  please compare YOUR status request to MINE and you'll hopefully notice a difference.
Anyways, I think ONE polite status request per year shouldn't be a problem, especially since I haven't seen any for TO on this forums for a long time.
I do understand, however, that permanent status requests for any projekt can be something annoying.

You ARE aware that he was making a joke, yes? There wasn't a need to get defensive.

Well, if this was a joke - my appology.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Word on the Wind on April 17, 2009, 05:40:33 PM
There's sort of the fact that he's been around since before this version of the Pantheon, like almost all of the regulars here as well as bein' a regular poster. If he was seriously as bad as that example he just gave, I think we'd have a problem with him and he'd be dealt with.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: JayBee on April 18, 2009, 12:18:29 AM
And active in the DeJap forums before then(on account of being a moderator at ZSNES Board where they were hosted).

And active in LNF's forums before that(anyone remember them?).

Many moons have I walked these internets.


There's a reason that Tactics Ogre was persona non grata at many ROM-hacking sites and translation groups for years. It was a frequently-requested project that no one had any interest in. And the requesters were frequently the very rude kind that think video games are a god-given right and/or that the game's been translated for ages(which is true, I suppose, though they don't want to hear "go get a Playstation") and the patch is being held hostage for some malicious reason.

Honestly, I half-suspect Gid took the project just so everyone would finally shut up about it.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Sakura77 on April 19, 2009, 10:20:15 PM
Jay I wouldn't be surprised if that is true. I suspect that it won't be out for a few more years because Gid has a lot on his plate in terms of stuff to hack and many of us know that it takes a long time to get some of these projects done.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Word on the Wind on April 20, 2009, 05:57:29 PM
Except it's already done and people keeps askin' about it and extendin' the timer on the release date.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Stefan on April 26, 2009, 06:44:08 PM
The waiting has nothing to do with one particular version being better than the other, but everything to do with giving people a way of illegally being able to play it for free.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Word on the Wind on April 26, 2009, 07:13:00 PM
Ye do realise that if that's all there was to it, it's not difficult to get ahold of PSX Emulatables and an ISO image, right?


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: GreenEnergy on April 28, 2009, 06:57:49 AM
The waiting has nothing to do with one particular version being better than the other, but everything to do with giving people a way of illegally being able to play it for free.

I disagree! As the topic suggests, we're looking forwart to playing the DEFINITVE VERSION of TO one day (that's the SNES Version), which is really the whole ESSENCE of all debates & the meaning of this topic. 


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: JayBee on April 28, 2009, 05:41:33 PM
They're the EXACT SAME THING.
One has a little bit of load time and has been in english for over a decade. Those are the only differences.
Far as I know, there's no significant quirks, graphical glitches, audio oddities, additional content, removed content, or ANY indication whatsoever that it's a port.


And it's not the essence of all the debates.
Trust me, I've been in several of them.

Most of them are obnoxious warez kiddies whining because they don't have enough bandwidth to download CD images, or their computer isn't fast enough to run PS1 emulators, or ePSXe is too complicated, or Playstation emulators suck(which was actually a valid excuse for a while, though the TO emulation glitches have long since been fixed), or Playstation sucks full stop, or they refuse to play an official translation from the "dark ages" of translations, or...

It usually boils down to "GIMME TEH SNES RAWMZ NOW!111" with no real logic behind it.
I don't know how the people that actually DO ROM hacking put up with it for so long. Oh, wait... they made Tactics Ogre requests a bannable offense.



I hereby request a translation of the Saturn version. Because SNES sucks.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: GreenEnergy on April 29, 2009, 09:33:17 AM
Ok, ok, well everyone's got it that YOU abviously don't want a snes version. I guess you'd just downlaod the iso somewhere, take a seat in front of your computer, turn on your emulator and you're perfectly happy with it. I accept that.

But why can't you, on the other hand, accept that A LOT of other people still  WANT IT. And I'm sure that they DO have a valid reason, otherwise nobody would care. That may be some sort of personal reason, a nostalgic reason, whatever. Only because YOU don't get the logic doesn't mean everyone who wishes for a TO translation is an idiot.

And yes, the SNES version is superior to anyone else, due to the loading times. THAT's what greatly annoy's people, so just accept it. Some also miss the ability of fast forwading...

I for myself have another personal reason why I want it so badly. (And I know a lot of people who would do the same in an instant)

It's because I not only own a lot of old consoles, but also play them regularly with great joy.
So all I want is to put this sucker (who happens to be one of the greatest games of all time and plays in the same league as FFVI, Chronotrigger etc.) on a real cartridge, fall back on my couch and "SWITCH ON THE GOOD OL' TIMES"!
Isn't that to some extent what the whole rom translation scene is all about as well? Bringing back those good days and being able to create something with your own hands that shoul'd have been created by developers at one point in time, but wasn't?

Anway, where's the love for "decent" TO requesters?

P.s: "I hereby request a translation of the Saturn version. Because SNES sucks." So where's the logic here? Why would anyone go for the worst version...


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Word on the Wind on April 29, 2009, 12:39:50 PM
There's no logic about any of it other than it IS available in english already and that is the simplist form to procure it in. JB's comment at the end there is just a spiteful move and I frankly don't blame him.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: JayBee on April 29, 2009, 10:13:56 PM
Aaaand the intent to stick it on a copier is probably the first justification I've ever seen that made a lick of sense.

I'm still sure that once the SNES version is translated, people will want the Saturn version. I know nothing about the Saturn version other than no one cares about it right now.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: GreenEnergy on April 30, 2009, 07:27:16 AM
"Aaaand the intent to stick it on a copier is probably the first justification I've ever seen that made a lick of sense."

Well, for me that's just the best way to enjoy these awesome games. On the german forums I occasionally hang aroung (mainly supernes.de, snesfreaks.com) almost everyone's doing that. IMHO nothing can beat the CRT + real hardware/software + couch combination. So much fun!

"I'm still sure that once the SNES version is translated, people will want the Saturn version"

I doubt that. As I know it's got resolution problems in addition to crappy loading times.
 
   


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: TCM on April 30, 2009, 11:54:28 AM
Please explain to me why you can't burn this ISO to disc, and play it on a PSX, as opposed to sticking your translated Tactics Ogre SNES rom on a cart, and playing it on an SNES.

Also, calling any particular version of a game "DEFINITIVE VERSION", despite the complete lack of script changes, bonuses, or anything else, in all caps for no good reason, has eroded any sympathy I've ever had for you, your cause, fans of Tactics Ogre, or people who request status on Tactics Ogre translations.


Thank God I'm not Gid.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: GreenEnergy on April 30, 2009, 02:13:05 PM
Please explain to me why you can't burn this ISO to disc, and play it on a PSX, as opposed to sticking your translated Tactics Ogre SNES rom on a cart, and playing it on an SNES.

Also, calling any particular version of a game "DEFINITIVE VERSION", despite the complete lack of script changes, bonuses, or anything else, in all caps for no good reason, has eroded any sympathy I've ever had for you, your cause, fans of Tactics Ogre, or people who request status on Tactics Ogre translations.


Thank God I'm not Gid.

Did you even follow this thread? What are you talking about? Did I ever say I couldn't burn TO on a disc? Everyone could. I'm not doing it because I'm totaly turned off of the loading times - simple as that.
If Gid ever finishes putting Atlus'  translation into TO, then that would be what I (and many other's, it's not like I'm the only one) would consider the definitve version of TO... for TO fans of course. It may not be the definitve version for you - but  that's ok. I for myself just honestly think that the snes version plays best, as soo many others... 

Now, let's tell me honestly: which version of the following two would you prefer. Chrono Trigger PSX or Chrono Trigger SNES. How about everyone else here? Which one would you prefer?


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: alaras on April 30, 2009, 02:34:08 PM
Honestly, Chrono Trigger DS, if only for the extras.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: JayBee on April 30, 2009, 06:07:02 PM
Now, let's tell me honestly: which version of the following two would you prefer. Chrono Trigger PSX or Chrono Trigger SNES. How about everyone else here? Which one would you prefer?
SNES, but not enough to wait a decade for after the PS1 version came out. :P

And as far as I know, Tactics Ogre PS doesn't have NEAR the crappiness of Chrono Trigger PS.

But of course, I never actually played CT PS, despite intense curiosity about the ZOMG ANIME CUTSCENES!
The only PS1 ports of Square's I played were FF5 and 6. And FF6 was so truly and amazingly awful as to scare me away from the FF4/CT bundle entirely, though I heard that CT was MUCH better than that.

Seriously, the game paused and loaded data off the CD-ROM in the middle of Sabin's Aura Bolt animation(right after he landed, before he fired the beam).
I repeat: It paused and loaded in the MIDDLE of an animation!
It was THAT bad.

I also have real FF3US and CT carts, so the call was a bit moot.
I bought the FF5/6bundle for a legal FF5, and would've bought the FF4/CT bundle for a legal FF4 if I hadn't been so appalled by Square's utterly pathetic excuse for a port in FF5/6.



As far as CT DS goes... it treats the rectangular SNES pixels as square DS pixels, resulting in everything being aspect-incorrect(I HATE HATE HATE aspect-incorrect graphics, they drive me insaner), and has the modern NoA anti-flicker restrictions imposed on it(resulting in some neutered animations).

Add to that the difficulty of enjoying the soundtrack through headphones or DS speakers, and I failed to find any compelling reason to buy CT DS. I'll settle with my total knowledge of the game being rendered slightly less total by a secret boss + dungeon that only exists in the DS version.



Speaking of secrets...
I seem to be one of the very few people aware that you can do a kamikaze run on Lavos with the Epoch.
If you don't know about it, I'll share with you now.

Once the Epoch gets the flight mod, set the time gauge to 1999. It's that easy(which is why the near-total lack of reference to it anywhere on the internet amazes me to no end).

There will be a brief conversation in your party, and then it's RAMMING SPEED!, a cutscene making spiffy use of SNES graphics mode 7, and a complete and total bypass of Lavos form 1. You'll blow right through the outer shell without ever fighting it.

This also changes the ending animation sequence for whichever of the two "normal" endings you get, for obvious reasons.
...
God, I love Chrono Trigger.

...

From 0 to off-topic in 1.2 paragraphs.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: GreenEnergy on May 01, 2009, 07:46:11 AM
As far as CT DS goes... it treats the rectangular SNES pixels as square DS pixels, resulting in everything being aspect-incorrect(I HATE HATE HATE aspect-incorrect graphics, they drive me insaner), and has the modern NoA anti-flicker restrictions imposed on it(resulting in some neutered animations).

Oh, I think we've got the same opinion on this one here. That's exactly what I think too! Never ever would I play a TRUE SNES GEM on a small DS screen. And as for CT on DS: That'd be like... watching Lord of the Rings on PSP... sooo wrong! :D


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: JayBee on May 01, 2009, 01:39:22 PM
If I didn't already own CT, I might have a different opinion.

Hell, if they'd corrected the aspect ratio and not neutered the animation...



Screen size doesn't bother me. But the lower resolution does. I want my full visible area!

But I can't really imagine listening to it on the DS. The soundtrack is awesome, and the DS just doesn't have the kick to do it justice.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: ChrisABlair on May 06, 2009, 01:47:08 AM
I'm gonna hafta agree with Jay on this one. I'm still preferring to play CT on my SNES rather than the PS1 or DS copies (All of which I have aquired over the years). Though, it's a pain sometimes to go out to the garage and grab my SNES every once in a while.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: GreenEnergy on May 06, 2009, 09:22:17 AM
I'm gonna hafta agree with Jay on this one. I'm still preferring to play CT on my SNES rather than the PS1 or DS copies (All of which I have aquired over the years). Though, it's a pain sometimes to go out to the garage and grab my SNES every once in a while.

Well, why don't you just place it somewhere near you TV? :D I guess CT may be the only SNES game you play once in a while, eh?

Authentic retro gaming ftw! :)


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Chaostic on May 06, 2009, 12:06:15 PM
honestly the only real flaw i saw in the psx CT when compared to the snes was the load times


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: JayBee on May 06, 2009, 03:00:39 PM
I've heard the music is a little off, too.

But I can't compare 'em, so....


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: Derek on May 06, 2009, 03:03:27 PM
That was FF4. Music had about a 1/1.5 second lag when it changed screens. Usually most noticable in the random encounters on the world map.


Title: Re: The DEFINITIVE Version.
Post by: JayBee on May 06, 2009, 03:36:33 PM
That was FF4. Music had about a 1/1.5 second lag when it changed screens. Usually most noticable in the random encounters on the world map.
Well, I mean I've heard the CT music doesn't SOUND quite right, not that it lags.

Which I find unsurprising, given the SNES sound hardware is fairly complex(and the PS1 hardware has a different analog side on top of that). It's hard to recreate.