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Title: SRW: Lord of Elemental remake for DS?
Post by: Dais on March 05, 2010, 02:25:34 AM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=389345

as with all reveals via yanked listings, take it with a grain of salt.

It seems to be branded OG Saga, like the recent Frontier games from Monolithsoft. I wonder if that means female characters will be redrawn with larger breasts.


Title: Re: SRW: Lord of Elemental remake for DS?
Post by: Derek on March 05, 2010, 08:30:55 AM
.....Excuse me, I need to go thank the goddess for finally answering my prayers, should this turn out to be true.


Title: Re: SRW: Lord of Elemental remake for DS?
Post by: Word on the Wind on March 05, 2010, 11:37:34 AM
I wonder if that means female characters will be redrawn with larger breasts.

That would be a very good thing.


Title: Re: SRW: Lord of Elemental remake for DS?
Post by: Dais on March 05, 2010, 07:13:24 PM
That would be a very good thing.

be careful what you wish for.


Title: Re: SRW: Lord of Elemental remake for DS?
Post by: Derek on March 06, 2010, 01:00:20 AM
I wonder if that means female characters will be redrawn with larger breasts.

That would be a very good thing.

"Aschen....That is exactly what I want to hear."


Title: Re: SRW: Lord of Elemental remake for DS?
Post by: JayBee on March 06, 2010, 01:22:19 AM
I wonder if that means female characters will be redrawn with larger breasts.
Even the kid?
That's just wrong.


Title: Re: SRW: Lord of Elemental remake for DS?
Post by: jolly_old_saint on March 06, 2010, 04:54:46 AM
If its like frontier, wouldn't they only leave a couple characters originally from the game? And wouldn't their genders be reversed? And their characters completely re-written, to the point where the names only serve as reminders of the gender reversal?

Not that I'd complain, mind. I am attracted to furries breasts. I mean, furries. I mean....large breasted furries. I mean...that. Except the boss ones that return like fifty times with palette-swapped minions. So I'm against this. Probably. Not to an extent where I'd not care to play it, if it is the alleged thing it is. Or somewhat related to the license, super as it is.


Title: Re: SRW: Lord of Elemental remake for DS?
Post by: Armetius on March 09, 2010, 01:46:06 AM
I wonder if that means female characters will be redrawn with larger breasts.
Even the kid?
That's just wrong.

But it feels so right.


Title: Re: SRW: Lord of Elemental remake for DS?
Post by: JayBee on March 09, 2010, 03:16:01 AM
I wonder if that means female characters will be redrawn with larger breasts.
Even the kid?
That's just wrong.

But it feels so right.
I'm not even gonna go there.


Title: Re: SRW: Lord of Elemental remake for DS?
Post by: Killmore on March 12, 2010, 09:52:26 PM
I spotted this on RPGamer just now, and I'm pretty stoked for this (assuming it comes out here).

Also, there's a trailer up now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxDTDkz2kiU


Title: Re: SRW: Lord of Elemental remake for DS?
Post by: JayBee on March 13, 2010, 01:51:43 AM
I spotted this on RPGamer just now, and I'm pretty stoked for this (assuming it comes out here).

Also, there's a trailer up now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxDTDkz2kiU
<3

Atlus, you WILL bring this over.


Title: Re: SRW: Lord of Elemental remake for DS?
Post by: Derek on March 13, 2010, 08:10:30 AM
I spotted this on RPGamer just now, and I'm pretty stoked for this (assuming it comes out here).

Also, there's a trailer up now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxDTDkz2kiU
<3

Atlus, you WILL bring this over.

I've woken up every day for the last eight days praying for that.


Title: Re: SRW: Lord of Elemental remake for DS?
Post by: EaterBrain on April 13, 2010, 07:11:09 PM
I know that as a loyal Masoukishin fan I should should be all over this...
But I just can't muster any enthusiasm after seeing the screenshots and the video.
No, wait, I actually have some enthusiasm, for I am full of bile.

HOLY EXCREMENT, that CG looks only marginally better than Shin Masoukishin: Panzer Warfare (http://www.c-games.info/games,002,2561.html), everything looks like it was ripped from PSX-era SRW FMVs!
Should I remind you of Masoukishin in Alpha Gaiden, should I remind you of those beautiful animations? My goodness, even GBA games had a better visual aesthetic.

What are you doing Bamco, WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU DOING?


Title: Re: SRW: Lord of Elemental remake for DS?
Post by: Word on the Wind on April 14, 2010, 04:06:40 AM
I know that as a loyal Masoukishin fan I should should be all over this...
But I just can't muster any enthusiasm after seeing the screenshots and the video.
No, wait, I actually have some enthusiasm, for I am full of bile.

HOLY EXCREMENT, that CG looks only marginally better than Shin Masoukishin: Panzer Warfare (http://www.c-games.info/games,002,2561.html), everything looks like it was ripped from PSX-era SRW FMVs!
Should I remind you of Masoukishin in Alpha Gaiden, should I remind you of those beautiful animations? My goodness, even GBA games had a better visual aesthetic.

What are you doing Bamco, WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU DOING?

Ye know, I hadn't looked that closely before, but now that ye mention it, yeah, the animation is pretty friggin' bad. Didn't we leave such crude passes at animation back in the SNES era?


Title: Re: SRW: Lord of Elemental remake for DS?
Post by: TCM on April 14, 2010, 10:06:27 AM
The second trailer looks much better, IMO.


At the very least, Black Hole Cluster and Akashic Buster have some pretty frigging sweet animations.


Title: Re: SRW: Lord of Elemental remake for DS?
Post by: EaterBrain on April 16, 2010, 03:42:17 PM
The second trailer looks much better, IMO.

At the very least, Black Hole Cluster and Akashic Buster have some pretty frigging sweet animations.
You're right those do look nice, it'd be pretty embarrassing if they didn't, I think it's done with a short prerendered clip with a sprite overlay and that's a very reasonable solution for FX-intensive scenes on weak hardware, nothing to pick on there, but have you seen the animations for simpler attacks? That's TWO whole frames of QUALITY animation right there!

Now that I've cooled down after the initial explosive reaction, I admit that the lack of animation wouldn't have bothered me all that much if not for the ugly coloring\shading on those 3D models that they've ripped sprites from. For heaven's sake, they look worse than those used for SRW OG anime and nowhere is it more evident than in the Valcion scene! Poor, poor Val...

If Gideon decides to cancel the SNES translation if\when an official English DS version is announced l will not grumble, but this remake does leave something to be desired.


Title: Re: SRW: Lord of Elemental remake for DS?
Post by: Isao Kronos on April 16, 2010, 08:55:44 PM
it's a srw game that isn't that endless frontier crap or suparobo gakuen

i don't see what the problem is


Title: Re: SRW: Lord of Elemental remake for DS?
Post by: EaterBrain on April 17, 2010, 07:31:21 AM
it's a srw game that isn't that endless frontier crap or suparobo gakuen

i don't see what the problem is
Crude CG models, that's what the main problem! There's also the problem of having animations that aren't even close to SRWJ (let alone a DS SRWs, even the EF games that you despise)  in the year 2010.  

And don't get me started on Endless Frontier! While the use of SRW IP for that game was entirely pointless, the fanservice rather excessive and somewhat vulgar (that's my personal opinion, most EF fans would disagree with it), entertaining battle system, the character animation quality and a good score allow that game to stand on its own.  
I have to agree on the Gakuen game though, that was pretty lackluster-- I'm sure there could have been a better way of crating an arena where you can see GaoGaiGar and Mazinkaiser to duke it out.

And while both Gakuen and EF weren't aimed at the hardcore fandom, seeing as they are results of silly diversification schemes (EF was the only successful one, apparently), SRWG is exactly the opposite and that's why I'm disturbed by its low quality compared to other recent handheld SRW titles.

If my reactions seem overly dramatic it's only because I don't see anyone bringing up these flaws and this baffles me.
SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!


Title: Re: SRW: Lord of Elemental remake for DS?
Post by: alaras on April 17, 2010, 08:08:13 PM
it's a srw game that isn't that endless frontier crap or suparobo gakuen

i don't see what the problem is

Quiet you!  I was hoping to see Gakuen translated by someone, someday!  Don't jinx it!


Title: Re: SRW: Lord of Elemental remake for DS?
Post by: JayBee on April 18, 2010, 01:26:05 AM
it's a srw game that isn't that endless frontier crap or suparobo gakuen

i don't see what the problem is
Crude CG models, that's what the main problem! There's also the problem of having animations that aren't even close to SRWJ (let alone a DS SRWs, even the EF games that you despise)  in the year 2010. 

And don't get me started on Endless Frontier! While the use of SRW IP for that game was entirely pointless, the fanservice rather excessive and somewhat vulgar (that's my personal opinion, most EF fans would disagree with it), entertaining battle system, the character animation quality and a good score allow that game to stand on its own. 
I have to agree on the Gakuen game though, that was pretty lackluster-- I'm sure there could have been a better way of crating an arena where you can see GaoGaiGar and Mazinkaiser to duke it out.
...
If my reactions seem overly dramatic it's only because I don't see anyone bringing up these flaws and this baffles me.
SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!

To be honest, I expected a straight port of the SNES version. I hadn't actually WATCHED the trailer, partially due to my skinny pipe making it a painful load.

I miss the stone tablet style status and dialog bars. :(

...

Could be worse. They didn't redo it to be SD like almost all the other SRW games, have Katoki redesign all the Elementals, make all the girls "moe", or any other dumbassery.


Title: Re: SRW: Lord of Elemental remake for DS?
Post by: EaterBrain on April 18, 2010, 04:52:16 AM
Could be worse. They didn't redo it to be SD like almost all the other SRW games, have Katoki redesign all the Elementals, make all the girls "moe", or any other dumbassery.
You're right, there could be other ways tho mess it up but do note that this does not make it a valid excuse. The Transformers movies could have been worse, Daikatana could have been worse, Nazis could have been worse... But although I agree that using SD mecha here would be strange, considering LoE's legacy, have you seen the Masouki in Alpha Gaiden? They look absolutely fantastic! Being non-SD does not automatically make the game better than the SD titles.

Ok, I guess that enough bitching from me. Most fans don't have any issues with that game, so my rants seem pretty pointless. It's like I'm one of those "STOP HAVING FUN GUYS!" trolls... I just had to vent on this issue, it does feel better now that I did.
And let me tell you right now that I certainly wouldn't think any worse of anyone for liking the LoE remake.


Title: Re: SRW: Lord of Elemental remake for DS?
Post by: JayBee on April 18, 2010, 05:39:40 AM
Could be worse. They didn't redo it to be SD like almost all the other SRW games, have Katoki redesign all the Elementals, make all the girls "moe", or any other dumbassery.
You're right, there could be other ways tho mess it up but do note that this does not make it a valid excuse.
Oh, I know.
It's just not near as bad as I've come to expect from VG remakes.
Bandamco understands SOMETHING of their market, at least.

(Actually, tri-Ace probably does too.... which is WHY Star Ocean 2's remake made Rena look like she's in kindergarten. :'( )


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But although I agree that using SD mecha here would be strange, considering LoE's legacy, have you seen the Masouki in Alpha Gaiden? They look absolutely fantastic! Being non-SD does not automatically make the game better than the SD titles.
All other things being equal, in this case I think properly-dimensioned is better.
Alpha family gets a LOT of bonus points for the extensive animation, while Gaiden remake is still doing the "classic-style" static sprites.

As a general case, I think SD is probably better for SRW, as it avoids the massive scale issues that are so rampant(you can load Gunbuster into the hanger of a carrier smaller than Gunbuster, to pick the most extreme exampe).

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Ok, I guess that enough bitching from me. Most fans don't have any issues with that game, so my rants seem pretty pointless. It's like I'm one of those "STOP HAVING FUN GUYS!" trolls... I just had to vent on this issue, it does feel better now that I did.
And let me tell you right now that I certainly wouldn't think any worse of anyone for liking the LoE remake.
Ranting is fun, though!
I think I'm due to crap out another encyclopedia volume on Silver Star Story soon(I HOPE Gaiden pays more respect to the original than THAT abomination did).


Title: Re: SRW: Lord of Elemental remake for DS?
Post by: Isao Kronos on April 18, 2010, 10:55:12 PM
eaterbrain I'm just burnt out on people griping about SRW for the rest of my life thanks to codename:v (posts on blogs and stuff, really annoying cockbite)


Title: Re: SRW: Lord of Elemental remake for DS?
Post by: EaterBrain on April 19, 2010, 09:03:01 AM
eaterbrain I'm just burnt out on people griping about SRW for the rest of my life thanks to codename:v (posts on blogs and stuff, really annoying cockbite)
Oh I know about that guy! You have my sympathies, codename:v's douchebagerry is second to none (at least in the SRW fandom). In fact, c:v infamy has reached such epic proportions that it seems other mecha fandom trolls feel obliged to use his nickname or image macros (the "You are a homosexual!" ones) whenever they post.

P.S. Does his namesake still troll SRW Hotnews (http://superrobotwar.wordpress.com)? I didn't visit it lately.


Title: Re: SRW: Lord of Elemental remake for DS?
Post by: Isao Kronos on April 21, 2010, 04:53:39 AM
i haven't seen him comment really since Exceed came out. of course, i've only really been on to look at the LoE screenshots, he might be trolling the ACE comments


Title: Re: SRW: Lord of Elemental remake for DS?
Post by: TCM on May 27, 2010, 01:08:34 PM
Vids are up on youtube.


As I originally suspected, the game looks way better in motion/finalized than it did in early trailers.